WoW Forever Thorium Brotherhood Reputation Guide
The Thorium Brotherhood is the classic crafting reputation of the dwarves at Thorium Point in the Searing Gorge. In WoW Forever it works as it did in Classic: no enemy gives it and the quests give almost nothing, so you earn it by handing in farmed materials, first at Thorium Point and from Honored on inside Blackrock Depths. The reward is 31 recipes for blacksmiths, leatherworkers, tailors, enchanters and alchemists.
Below, we go through the three stages of the grind with the exact materials for each rank, where each material drops, what is not available before Molten Core opens and what the vendor sells at each rank.
Thorium Brotherhood at a Glance
| Detail | Thorium Brotherhood |
|---|---|
| Side | Alliance and Horde. Everyone starts at Neutral |
| First hub | Thorium Point in the Searing Gorge, Master Smith Burninate at 38.4, 28.4 |
| Second hub and vendor | Lokhtos Darkbargainer in the Grim Guzzler bar inside Blackrock Depths |
| Neutral to Friendly | 120 hand-ins of 2 Incendosaur Scales, 1 Coal and a third material, 25 reputation each |
| Friendly to Honored | 240 hand-ins of 4 Dark Iron Residue, 25 reputation each |
| Honored to Exalted | 10 Dark Iron Ore for 50 reputation: 6,600 ore in total. The Molten Core materials are not available yet |
| Kills | No enemy gives this reputation |
| Rewards | 6 recipes at Friendly, 11 at Honored, 10 at Revered, 4 at Exalted |
Thorium Point with Master Smith Burninate (1) the Incendosaurs underground in the Slag Pit (2) and the Cauldron, where the cave entrances are (3)
The scale is the usual one: 3,000 points from Neutral to Friendly, 6,000 more to Honored, 12,000 to Revered and 21,000 to Exalted, 42,000 in total.
How to Earn Thorium Brotherhood Reputation
The grind has three stages, and each stage has its own hand-in. In Classic every hand-in worked only in its own range of ranks, and the Forever data gives the same quests with the same numbers.
| Stage | Hand-in | To whom | Reputation | Level |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Neutral to Friendly | 2 Incendosaur Scales, 1 Coal and 4 Iron Bars, 4 Kingsblood or 10 Heavy Leather | Master Smith Burninate | 25 | 45 |
| Friendly to Honored | 4 Dark Iron Residue | Master Smith Burninate | 25 | 45 |
| Honored to Exalted | 10 Dark Iron Ore | Lokhtos Darkbargainer | 50 | 60 |
| Honored to Exalted | 2 Core Leather | Lokhtos Darkbargainer | 150 | 60 |
| Honored to Exalted | 1 Fiery Core, 1 Lava Core or 1 Blood of the Mountain | Lokhtos Darkbargainer | 200 | 60 |
Neutral to Friendly: Incendosaur Scales
Start with What the Flux? from Master Smith Burninate. It sends you into the Slag Pit for the stolen flux plans, gives 100 reputation and, as in Classic, opens his three repeatable quests: Restoring Fiery Flux Supplies via Kingsblood, via Iron and via Heavy Leather. Each takes 2 Incendosaur Scales and 1 Coal, plus 4 Kingsblood, 4 Iron Bars or 10 Heavy Leather.
| Material | For 116 hand-ins after the first quest | Where it comes from |
|---|---|---|
| Incendosaur Scale | 232 | Incendosaur, level 47 to 49, in the Slag Pit, the caves under the Cauldron. On the map they show around 44 to 51, 20 to 30 |
| Coal | 116 | Master Smith Burninate sells it for 4 silver 75 copper |
| Iron Bar or Kingsblood | 464 | The auction house, or your own mining and herbalism. Our mining guide has the iron routes |
| or Heavy Leather | 1,160 | Skinning. The Incendosaurs themselves can be skinned for it |
The scales are a quest item: they drop only while you have one of the three quests available. Players in Classic counted 2 to 4 scales from almost every Incendosaur, and one of them looted 620 in an hour. The cave is southeast of Thorium Point: jump down into the Cauldron on the east side of the camp and take the last cave on the right. A skinner gets the Heavy Leather for the third material from the same enemies.
Friendly to Honored: Dark Iron Residue
At Friendly the scale quests end and Master Smith Burninate offers Gaining Acceptance: 4 Dark Iron Residue for 25 reputation. The 6,000 points to Honored are 240 hand-ins, or 960 residue. The residue drops only inside Blackrock Depths, usually 5 or 6 at a time, and it can be traded, so the auction house is the second source.
| Enemy in Blackrock Depths | Level | Drops residue | Residue per kill |
|---|---|---|---|
| Arena Spectator | 52 to 54 | 36% of kills | about 2.0 |
| Burrowing Thundersnout | 50 to 52 | 22% of kills | about 1.2 |
| Dredge Worm | 50 to 52 | 19% of kills | about 1.0 |
| Other Dark Iron dwarves of the dungeon | 48 to 56 | Varies | 0.7 to 1.1 |
The Arena Spectators stand around the Ring of Law, early in the dungeon, so a group can clear them and reset. At about 2 residue per kill, 960 residue take close to 500 of them. Normal runs add up as well: every full clear of the dungeon leaves a few dozen residue. The dungeon itself is in our Blackrock Depths guide.
Honored to Exalted: Dark Iron Ore
From Honored on, the hand-ins move to Lokhtos Darkbargainer, who stands in the Grim Guzzler bar in Blackrock Depths. His five quests need level 60. Four of them ask for Molten Core materials: Fiery Core, Lava Core, Core Leather and Blood of the Mountain. Molten Core is not open in WoW Forever and has no date, so for now only Favor Amongst the Brotherhood, Dark Iron Ore can be done in bulk: 10 ore for 50 reputation.
| Rank | Reputation | With ore only | With Core Leather | With cores or blood |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Revered | 12,000 | 2,400 ore | 160 leather | 60 |
| Exalted | 21,000 more | 4,200 ore | 280 leather | 105 |
| Total | 33,000 | 6,600 ore | 440 leather | 165 |
Dark Iron Ore comes from Dark Iron Deposits, which need Mining 230. They are in Blackrock Depths and, in smaller numbers, in the Searing Gorge and the Burning Steppes. The golems of the dungeon also drop the ore from 5 to 12% of kills. A deposit gives a Blood of the Mountain about once in a hundred times, and that one item is worth as much as 40 ore, so hand it in.
Revered with ore alone is a long project, and Exalted more so. Unless you need a Revered recipe now, it is reasonable to stop at Honored and wait for Molten Core, where one Core Leather is worth 75 reputation and a core 200.
Thorium Brotherhood Quests
The one-time quests at Thorium Point give 950 reputation together, about a third of the way to Friendly. Do them first, because they also pay experience at level 48 to 50.
| Quest | From | What you do | Reputation |
|---|---|---|---|
| What the Flux? | Master Smith Burninate | Bring back the Secret Plans: Fiery Flux from the Slag Pit | 100 |
| WANTED: Overseer Maltorius | Lookout Captain Lolo Longstriker | Kill Overseer Maltorius in the Slag Pit | 100 |
| Look at the Size of It! | Evonice Sootsmoker | Bring Chambermaid Pillaclencher's pillow | 100 |
| Curse These Fat Fingers | Hansel Heavyhands | Kill 20 Heavy War Golems | 100 |
| Fiery Menace! | Hansel Heavyhands | Kill 20 Searing Lava Spiders | 100 |
| Incendosaurs? Whateverosaur is More Like It | Hansel Heavyhands | Kill 20 Incendosaurs | 100 |
| STOLEN: Smithing Tuyere and Lookout's Spyglass | Taskmaster Scrange | Recover the two stolen tools | 100 |
| JOB OPPORTUNITY: Culling the Competition | Taskmaster Scrange | Kill 15 Dark Iron Taskmasters and 15 Dark Iron Slavers | 100 |
| Heart of the Obliterator | New in WoW Forever | Bring the Heart of the Obliterator to Thorium Point | 150 |
Blacksmiths get 1,150 more from the Imperial Plate quests of Derotain Mudsipper in Gadgetzan, which cost 270 Thorium Bars in total. More on the profession is in our blacksmithing guide.
Thorium Brotherhood Rewards by Rank
Lokhtos Darkbargainer sells all faction recipes, so you need to reach the Grim Guzzler even for the Friendly ones. Thorium Point has no quartermaster: Master Smith Burninate sells only Coal and flux.
| Rank | Recipe | Profession | Price |
|---|---|---|---|
| Friendly | Plans: Dark Iron Bracers | Blacksmithing 270 | 7g 41s |
| Friendly | Pattern: Corehound Boots | Leatherworking 295 | 15g 88s |
| Friendly | Pattern: Molten Helm | Leatherworking 300 | 16g 94s |
| Friendly | Pattern: Flarecore Gloves | Tailoring 300 | 8g 47s |
| Friendly | Formula: Enchant Weapon - Strength | Enchanting 290 | 3g 18s |
| Friendly | Recipe: Transmute Elemental Fire | Alchemy 300 | 12g 71s |
| Honored | Plans: Fiery Chain Girdle | Blacksmithing 270 | 9g 53s |
| Honored | Plans: Dark Iron Helm | Blacksmithing 300 | 6g 35s |
| Honored | Plans: Dark Iron Reaver | Blacksmithing 300 | 23g 29s |
| Honored | Plans: Dark Iron Destroyer | Blacksmithing 300 | 23g 29s |
| Honored | Pattern: Black Dragonscale Boots | Leatherworking 300 | 16g 94s |
| Honored | Pattern: Lava Belt | Leatherworking 300 | 6g 35s |
| Honored | Pattern: Flarecore Mantle | Tailoring 300 | 19g 6s |
| Honored | Pattern: Flarecore Robe | Tailoring 300 | 6g 35s |
| Honored | Formula: Enchant Weapon - Mighty Spirit | Enchanting 300 | 8g 47s |
| Honored | Formula: Enchant Cloak - Greater Fire Resistance | Enchanting 300 | 11g 25s |
| Honored | Formula: Enchant Cloak - Greater Nature Resistance | Enchanting 300 | 11g 25s |
| Revered | Plans: Dark Iron Leggings | Blacksmithing 300 | 19g 6s |
| Revered | Plans: Fiery Chain Shoulders | Blacksmithing 300 | 21g 18s |
| Revered | Plans: Dark Iron Gauntlets | Blacksmithing 300 | 8g 47s |
| Revered | Plans: Black Amnesty | Blacksmithing 300 | 7g 41s |
| Revered | Plans: Blackfury | Blacksmithing 300 | 7g 41s |
| Revered | Pattern: Chromatic Gauntlets | Leatherworking 300 | 9g 53s |
| Revered | Pattern: Corehound Belt | Leatherworking 300 | 9g 53s |
| Revered | Pattern: Molten Belt | Leatherworking 300 | 9g 53s |
| Revered | Pattern: Flarecore Leggings | Tailoring 300 | 9g 53s |
| Revered | Formula: Enchant Weapon - Mighty Intellect | Enchanting 300 | 10g 59s |
| Exalted | Plans: Dark Iron Boots | Blacksmithing 300 | 7g 20s |
| Exalted | Plans: Ebon Hand | Blacksmithing 300 | 10g 80s |
| Exalted | Plans: Blackguard | Blacksmithing 300 | 10g 80s |
| Exalted | Plans: Nightfall | Blacksmithing 300 | 13g 50s |
Two things are different from Classic. The plans for the Dark Iron Bracers and the Fiery Chain Girdle need Blacksmithing 270 instead of 295, and the two cloak formulas for fire and nature resistance are new on this vendor. Without any reputation, Lokhtos Darkbargainer also sells the formulas for Lesser Mana Oil and Wizard Oil and the pattern for the Enchanted Runecloth Bag. Which enchants are worth learning is in our best enchants guide, and the other recipe vendors are in our new recipes guide.
Most of the crafted items need Fiery Cores, Lava Cores or Core Leather, so the recipes above Friendly pay off only when Molten Core opens.
Tips for the Thorium Brotherhood Grind
- Do the Thorium Point quests at 48 to 50. They give 950 reputation and experience, and the kill quests overlap with the scale farm.
- Farm the scales with a skinner. The Incendosaurs give the scales and the Heavy Leather for the same hand-in, so you buy only Coal.
- Do not farm more than 232 scales. The scale quests end at Friendly, and the scales are a quest item with no other use.
- Collect residue on every Blackrock Depths run from the start. It drops before you are Friendly and can be kept or sold. On the auction house it is often cheap, because few players need it.
- Level Mining for the last stage. Dark Iron Deposits need skill 230, and smelting the ore is taught only inside Blackrock Depths. You hand in the ore, not the bars.
- Stop at the rank of the recipe you need. Friendly is one evening of scales. Honored is the residue. Revered and Exalted without Molten Core cost thousands of ore.
If the dungeon runs are the part you want to skip, our WoW Forever power leveling and dungeon services take care of the levels and the clears.
Thorium Brotherhood FAQ
These are the questions players ask most often about the Thorium Brotherhood.
How do you get Thorium Brotherhood reputation in WoW Forever?
By handing in materials. From Neutral to Friendly you bring Incendosaur Scales to Master Smith Burninate at Thorium Point, from Friendly to Honored Dark Iron Residue, and from Honored on Dark Iron Ore and Molten Core materials to Lokhtos Darkbargainer in Blackrock Depths.
Does killing enemies give Thorium Brotherhood reputation?
No. No enemy gives it, in the open world or in the dungeons.
Where do Incendosaur Scales drop?
From the Incendosaurs in the Slag Pit, the caves under the Cauldron in the Searing Gorge. On the map they show around 44 to 51, 20 to 30. They drop only while you have one of the flux quests of Master Smith Burninate.
Where is Lokhtos Darkbargainer?
In the Grim Guzzler, the bar in Blackrock Depths. He takes the hand-ins from Honored on and sells every recipe of the faction.
Can you reach Exalted before Molten Core opens?
Yes, but only with Dark Iron Ore: 6,600 ore from Honored to Exalted. The cores and the Core Leather come from Molten Core, which is not open yet.
How much Dark Iron Residue do you need?
960, for 240 hand-ins from Friendly to Honored. It drops in Blackrock Depths, best from the Arena Spectators.
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